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Dr. Bruce Lipton Beginnings Show

Beginnings Show with Dr. Bruce Lipton

Beginnings” is a compelling live TV show featuring engaging exchanges with Lee Carroll's esoteric pals, like Dr. Bruce Lipton, who often join him on stage for workshops around the World. He interviews them about their life stories – their Beginnings.

You'll enjoy candid conversations and playful banter between Lee and his friends. Hear about the remarkable experiences they've had, complete with family and childhood photos!

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You'll discover secrets and stories you've never heard before, and personal histories you couldn't have known about. This is essentially a talk show with Lee and his friends. There is no channeling, just casual conversation where anything goes. Filmed in front of a live studio audience in Marina Del Rey, California, this 90-minute Beginnings show explores Dr. Bruce Lipton's very interesting background. WATCH FOR FREE.

The Father of Epigenetics

Bruce Lipton, PhD., is an internationally recognized leader in bridging science and spirituality.  He's a stem cell biologist, bestselling author of The Biology of Belief, and recipient of the 2009 Goi Peace Award.  Dr. Bruce Lipton has been a guest speaker on hundreds of television and radio shows, as well as a keynote presenter for national and international conferences. This is where Lee Carroll first saw and met Bruce. You can watch the video above or continue reading as the transcription of this special Beginnings episode is outlined below.

Lee Carroll: Thank you so much for coming out because I know that you're leaving today, immediately. You've got an airplane practically standing by when we finish the show live, and you're scooting out of town for other things. So it's a real privilege to have you.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: I'm honored myself.

Lee Carroll: I want everybody to know certain things about your childhood. There are good things. Born in Chappaqua, New York. And I loved that you said you moved to Pleasantville on Sunnyside Avenue.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Pleasantville, like Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farms.

Lee Carroll: That really exist?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: It did. It dripped with syrup and honey. It was so sweet.

Lee Carroll: Oh, that's great. Your Mom is Gladys, Dad is Eli, brother David, sister Marsha, and the children that you have (and we're going to show them) are Jenny and Tanya. What I want to do first is to show some photos. These are your parents, and they're either getting married or they're posing for a picture for on a cake.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: That's a Vogue magazine cover.

Lee Carroll: Picture number two is your Dad.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: That's Eli.

Lee Carroll: This is Eli in 1930. The next picture is Gladys, who was your mom, and this is her high school picture. And this one is Bruce and Mom. Next is Bruce in '47. This is Bruce and Marcia, your sister. Who is Lula Mae?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Lula Mae is a woman who raised me, essentially, for about the first five years of my life. My mother and my father worked six and a half days a week in a supermarket. And so, I had Lula Mae as my step mother, so to speak. And she was fabulous. She taught me so much about life.

Lee Carroll: Next is you with your brother, David, we see for the first time. And then, this is in '62, right? All right. This is Lipton's Super Market. And did you work there?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: My father opened up a supermarket. He moved up from New York City, where he had a supermarket, to Westchester County. Before, there were supermarkets, there were all little, local stores that offered the public a New York shopping experience in the country, so to speak. And it was a family business.

So when I was in kindergarten, I'd get out of school and they'd take me to the store. And I had my first job. That was when they had soda bottles that people returned, so there were carriages of empty bottles. And as a five-year-old, I could stick the Coca-Cola bottle in the Coca-Cola case and the Canada Dry bottle in the Canada case. So even a five-year-old could start, and that was the beginning of my business career.

Lee Carroll: Did Dad ever think that you were going to take over the store?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: My Dad was very upset that I didn't take over a store, and nobody in the family took over the store. Yeah. I mean, after watching him work six and a half days a week, there's got to be a better way than that.

Lee Carroll: And then proceeding to a little bit older. Now you're driving cars, and you're interested in girls. And they had a nickname for you. Do you want to share that?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: No. Okay, I will. They call me the lump. I was sort of a lump. I had more of an affair with my cars than with girls.

Lee Carroll: Well, let me show you. I want to show you one of your cars. And this is a...?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: '67 Firebird 400. First one ever sold in the United. I bought at a year in advance, before it came out. It was supposed to be like a Corvette, so I had great dreams. And I put money down on a car was called the Banshee. And then, they informed me later, it's not the Banshee, it's not a two-seater. I said, I don't care I'll take it anyway. And I got delivered the first Firebird in the country.

Lee Carroll: You graduated because I'm going to show you another car now. Red. This is a '74 DeTomaso Pantera. What? I've never heard of that.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Well, it's a combination of Italian design and American guts. It had a big Ford engine in there. And when you started it up, it was like a Harley Davidson sports car. The ground would shake, the car would rumble. And I think that was the reason I bought the car because just a sound alone was, oh my God, what the hell is that? It went super fast. So fast, in fact, that I have many tickets.

Lee Carroll: Okay. Let's talk about that for a minute. I know that your education was at CW post Long Island. However, you applied for the University of Virginia. And there's a story, I know, that's related to that car and you're showing up at the University of Virginia. Want to share that?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Yeah, a very interesting story. I was in my senior year of college. I'm going to graduate with a biology degree. And then I realized at some point, what can I do with a biology degree? Go back in my father's store, packing bags? And I thought about graduate school. So I said, "Oh, I'll just do more biology." I applied to a whole number of graduate schools.

One day, I came home and there was a letter from the Department of Motor Vehicles from the State of New York. And it was a letter informing me of the number of tickets that I have, they're going to take away my license. And I was like, "My license, that's my whole life driving those cars." So the same day, in the mail was a letter of acceptance from the University of Virginia graduate school.

I put it together and I said, "I'm going to drive down this weekend to Virginia." And I went into the school and said, "Yes, I'd love to be a student here." And then, immediately, went to the Motor Vehicle Bureau and got a Virginia's driver's license.

And then, went back to New York, went to court, gave him my New York license. Oh, you're it taking away. And then, immediately... started driving on my Virginia's driver's license.

Lee Carroll: When you enrolled and you went to the school, were there any surprises?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: A life surprise. I was so excited because, "Hey, I'm going to college." I pack up my car, and I'm driving down to Virginia. I get there and it's around five o'clock in the afternoon. There's a big bar called the Cavalier for the Virginia Cavaliers, that's the sports team.

And I thought, "Okay, I'm going to get my first taste of college life here." So, I go into this bar and I sit at the bar and I look. There's a bunch of guys in there. Then some more guys come in there, and then some more guys come in there. And after about an hour in there, I look around and think, there's not one woman in this entire bar.

Now I'm thinking, "Okay, something's not right with this picture at this moment." I called the bartender over and I said, "Where are the women?" He says, "What women?" I said, "The women that go to the University of Virginia." He looked at me, said, "UVA is a men's school." That just fractured my entire vision.

Lee Carroll: And you had a beautiful car.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: I had a beautiful car and a license.

Lee Carroll: You're in grad school. This is you being very studious (showing photo). Don't you love that? When you were there at the school, there was a Southern professor?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Yes. Dr. James Dent. And me being a New Yorker, I'm new to the Southern drawl. I'm in a meeting with Dr. Dent because I was going to work in his lab and I started to realize something. He would talk and he'd say, "Well, Bruce. I would like to" And then there'd be a long pause.

So I thought, "Oh, it's my turn to talk." So I would start talking and then, he would then finish this sentence after I was talking. And I started to realize his pauses were, what was called the South. And I was filling in all of his pauses. No dead airtime. So, it was a wake up call to be quiet and wait.

Lee Carroll: Tell us about Koenigsberg.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Oh, well. While I was thinking I was going to work with James Dent, there was a new professor who came into the school. A very famous man by the name of Erwin Koenigsberg. And he was the founder of one of the cloning techniques, cloning cells, way back in the early 60's. And I was thinking, "Well that was really cool."

My wife at the time said, "Maybe you should go talk to Koenigsberg, and rather than working with James Dent, you should work with Koenigsberg." And I was a little apprehensive about it, but I also knew he was a superstar. I went into his office, and there was a chair with a higher back than this. So I felt like this little tiny guy in the chair.

When I said to him, "I would like to work in your laboratory..." the first thing he said to me was, "Have you ever thought of another career besides biology?" And I was like, "What, what?" He was saying, "Well, I've been watching you, and I don't think you're the right stuff for this thing."

Oh, I was feeling attacked. And then all of a sudden I said, "I could do it." He says, "Fine. Then, we're going to set up an exam for you, an oral exam in front of the faculty. That will determine whether you're going to stay here." So, I studied like crazy. And I remember it was like a review board, all asking me questions.

There's one question on carbon return, carbon cycling, and cells and metabolic stuff. They asked me that question and I thought, "No, I don't know the answer to that question." So, I paused for a second and then they'd pass the question to somebody else. He asked me the same question.

And I said, "No, I really don't understand that one." Then somebody else asked me a question, I could work on it. Then, the third guy comes in and asks me the same question. I exclaimed, "I already said, I don't know this." And then, the fourth guy stood and I got up from my exam and said, "Okay, forget it. I don't want to be in graduate school. I don't know the answer. And I'm getting out of here." I walked out the door.

Koenigsberg came running up and grabbed me he said, "Come on back and sit down. And we won't ask that question again." And as sure as he said that, the next question was the same question. But the fun part about it was that whatever it was, whether I knew information or not, Erwin took me on to work in his lab. That was one of the most exciting opportunities in the world because I was working at the leading edge of cell research at that time.

Lee Carroll: I know something about that too, because you made a discovery that Koenigsberg was looking for.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: My very first week in the lab showed when we grow cells in a Petri dish, they stick to the Petri dish. But the question was how do cells actually bind to the dish? And I was doing electron microscopy, which was the greatest thrill in the world.

In the first week of working in his lab, I put a section right through the Petri plate, which was plastic. And I showed the cells sitting right on the surface. It was like, "Oh my God, all those years of how is this working? And you could see the little fibers of collagen holding the cells down." After that, I was like his son. I mean, he had two sons, but I was his son.

Lee Carroll: Here's a picture that's completely out of context. What is that?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: I can't believe I wore that leisure suit. That's my father talking to a businessman.

Lee Carroll: You got married and you had two children. These are your two daughters. And this is 1973. The next one is you and Tanya. And then here are the girls all grown up.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: It was real exciting because I didn't know much about the idea of marriage and stuff, and my parents were not the best teachers of marriage. I remember when I was telling my father I was thinking about getting a divorce, and he looked at me and astonished me. He says, "What do you mean a divorce?" Then he said, "Marriage is a business." I went, "Business?"

Well, see, he grew up in Russia and marriage was survival. People chose non-love. They got married because it required two people to work together. He was trying to say, "Do what you want."  But I ended up getting divorced and then I get my kids. The problem is, I work all week and then I'd have my kids Friday night through Sunday night.

Then I go back to work. After a couple of months of this, I realized I'm not getting a break here. And I changed my relationship with my girls. I said, "Instead of being a parent, let's be friends. Let's talk to each other and be friends and share what's going on." And the most wonderful thing about that is to this very day, now Tanya's 50, they still talk to me because they knew that we could have a conversation.

I wasn't like my parents. They would say, "Just tell us the truth and we'll be okay." And I tell them the truth and they hit me. It was like, "Okay, I don't think that works," I thought because my daughters still communicate with myself and my partner, Margaret at that age, I feel so blessed.

It's just so important people know this one, I tried to make it so they weren't raised as girls, per se, that they were raised as capable kids.  I remember the birthday present I gave them, when they were about 12 or 13, a toolbox with tools in it.

I said, "You've got to learn how to use all these tools." And so my daughter, the older one, is an architect who uses all those tools now. I just wanted to say, give young girls a chance to become whatever they want to be. And I don't know how I did it.

Lee Carroll: All right. In 1967 were your first experiments that showed the environment changes the genes. But it was at '71 when you documented it, finally. That's when you can actually predict the results of what a cell would do. That's the time when you approximately got your divorce and then there's something you're known for.

Can you tell us a little bit about it when I show this in a minute? You had quite a sense of humor. What in the world are you doing here?  Also please follow it up by another joke you pulled off having to do with the days when you had slides. It had to be in glass trays and all this stuff. So I leave it to you. What's happening?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Okay. This is my annual lecture on smoking. And it's talked not just about tobacco smoking back then, I also brought up the subject of marijuana. So what I'm holding is a giant joint. I had my red flashing light on my helmet. And the thing that was fun about it is, not only did the medical school class come in there, but students from the whole school showed up.

It was standing room only. And I would talk to them about this. And it was fun because bringing humor in and talking about this stuff. And students came from the outside just for that special lecture on smoking.

Lee Carroll: Tell us about the slides.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Oh, the slides. Okay. So I'm doing electron microscopy and that's, I can tell you, the most exciting job in the entire world because it's like Star Trek in reverse. Every day when I would go in and I turn on the microscope and I would peer deep into space, the inner space. I would see things that nobody had ever seen before. Everyday, I was at the frontier. So it was real exciting.

As an electron microscopist, what we always do is we take so many pictures cause that's our visual, a picture thing. We are notorious for having so many slides that they'll show you a bunch and there's a point where it's like, oh, more slides, more slides.

I'm going to my dissertation defense. So I have the entire department and so many people in there. I'm going to defend my thesis on The Nature of a Cell Cloning and my work with it. And being an electron microservice course, I was using what were called lantern slides in those days, that was before Kodachromes were being used.

They were glass slides, I think 3x5 glass slides. And I had them in a metal case that had slots. And so for my dissertation, I thought I would play a fun joke. What I did is... I broke a bunch of glass, stuck it in the metal container. And I'm saying, oh, okay, I'm just going to stand up and defend my thesis. I said, "Wait a minute. I have to go get the slides." I carry the metal case and I trip fake trip. And the metal case drops on the floor and everybody hears broken glass shatter. They're all gone. It's a joke to me.

So I'm saying, "Oh, don't worry I'm an electron microscopist. I've got many slides." I grabbed the other one, which actually had the slides in and I bring it up. And I gave the whole lecture thinking that was a funny joke. And at the end, everyone came up and said, "Oh wow, Bruce, I don't know how you pulled through that and how you recovered after breaking all your slides." So I was the only one I knew it was a joke. The rest of them just thought I was a klutz.

Lee Carroll: I want to finish the family photos. This will be Bruce and Margaret who you're going to meet in a minute. David and Mom, this is 1996. Next is the sister-in-law, Margaret, Bruce, and David.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: And my brother on the ride and Margaret and I in a center with my Mom. She had just moved from the East Coast to Oceanside and she had a place on the beach. Welcome to California, Mom. That's my home. That beautiful place, which you see where that funny looking garage was. I had just moved into Redwood City area in California, because I had gotten a job at Stanford University doing research.

And I remember getting there and I started looking the want ads, cause I wanted to get a house with one bedroom or two bedrooms, one for an office. I looked at all these different places and at the very bottom of the list one said studio.  And I knew I didn't want a studio, but it said panoramic ocean view so, that caught my attention. I drive up on top of the mountain above Palo Alto and there's a place called Skyline Boulevard, which is the skyline along the mountain ridge, 3000 feet up.

I can't drive in. It's a private driveway entrance and everything. And I drive through the trees and let's say the horizon beach is on this side, I'm going this way. Can't see what's going on. And I turned in the driveway, which is a U-shape. So when I come out of the U, I still haven't seen what that view is at that moment and all I see is this garage. I'm going to garage, are you kidding me?

It had a little tiny window in the front that got frosted. One of those tempered glass windows. So you couldn't even see out the window. And I thought, well, I'm here. I walk up the stairs and I look in the door and it looks like somebody's attic, all kinds of stuff stored in there. And the kitchen was a wooden board with a hole cut for a sink and a little bar, a refrigerator.

The bathroom had a toilet that you couldn't sit on because it was next to the shower. And you had to put your knees up. I looked at this thing and I said, "no way." I walk out the door and for the first time I look at the view and I went, "Oh my God." It was a complete panoramic view of the ocean, 180 degrees due West. And it was above all the other mountains. And in California, when the clouds come in from the ocean, they go over the mountains and cover it up.

Right where I lived, there was a saddle in the mountain. And so the clouds came right up to my front yard and then they overflowed down the other side of the mountain. If you walked out the door, it was clouds into infinity. It was above all the mountains.

And it was the most beautiful apartment. I learned how to live in it basically. And it was fun; I'll tell you why. In that little tiny, 400 square feet space, I could sterilize the apartment in a half hour, starting one end to the other end. And it was all nature outside. So I never had to do anything outside, except look at this beautiful view. And I stayed there 11 years.

I remember the big fun part was every day when I'd come home, I would see this little tiny window. Behind it, outside that window, was the most amazing view in the world. You couldn't even see out the window. And so I said to myself, "When I publish this paper that I was working on, I'm going to put in a big window."

Every night, for about two months, I'd go and eat dinner. And I'd look at the wall, and in my mind took that wall apart so many times. And on the day after I mailed the paper in, I wake up on Saturday morning and boom. By Saturday evening I was sitting with this giant picture window. And it was fun cause there was a moment, before I put the window in, a cloud came through the window and went out the back door.

Lee Carroll: We're done with the pictures for awhile. I'm going to turn a page in your life and go to things that nobody has heard about.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Do I get embarrassed now or I wait until the question?

Lee Carroll: No. You're not going to get embarrassed because this was, I think perhaps one of the most exciting and fun times you've ever had. As this biologist and as this academic student and all of that you were doing, very few people have any idea that you were in show business. I want you to talk about what happened to take you to the laser show?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Okay. I was working at the University and I was going through my midlife crisis and leaving my wife. And I said, "I want to do something exciting." I remembered, I'd seen a laser show in Colorado a few years before and thought, "I wonder if there's one around here?" And I found there was one in Chicago, two hours and a half away.

So I thought, sure, I'll just take a ride. I got nothing to lose. I'm going to go to Chicago and see this laser show. And I get there, at a small planetarium, and this little guy looked like a leprechaun. Floyd was opening up the door when I got there and he was the guy who puts the show on. And I said, "Oh, I just came in from Madison, Wisconsin and I want to see this show."

He said, "This is a great show. You're going to really love this show." And I go, "Oh, okay." And he says, "Here's the seat. You sit in this seat. This is the best seat in the house." So I sat there and the show goes on. I'll have to tell you the truth. I sat there almost the entire time... Mouth open gaping.

What I saw on the screen was so beyond anything that people call laser shows, which are all zig-zaggy lines. This was a complete new idea and I was just so blown away by it. My father had died and left me the executor of the estate. And why that was relevant is because as I was leaving.  And I said to Floyd, that was the most amazing show I've ever seen. And he said, "Well, if I had any money, I could really make a show." And I'm going, my God, this show was already good the way it is.

And so I went back to Madison and, all week long, I was thinking that's a great idea. I love that show. And so I thought I'm going to go back and get a second look at this show. So I asked a friend of mine, a woman, if she wanted to take a ride down to Chicago. We'll get dinner, we'll go see a show. We go to the theater and I have my arm resting and she had her arm on top of me with her hand on top of my hand.

The show is going off and I'm just like, "Oh my God, it's the most amazing thing I've ever seen." And right while I'm just lost in the show, I could feel fingers nails digging into my hand. I look and she's almost like eyes not there. She slips down under the floor. I looked at her get back in the seat.  And she said to me, "I just had an orgasm."

And I said, "This is the show I'm investing in." So I got involved with a laser show and before we got too deep into it, leprechaun Floyd says, "Oh, you got to hear this guy who plays piano. He's really great. He's getting a PhD in Psychology at the University of Minnesota. And he's going to be playing tomorrow night. Let's go see him." I go to a small little place and he's got a Hammond B3 organ, this guy with long hair. And I remember during the show, he kept going through his hair like that. And with his hair flying, a handsome devil, the Greek God, Yanni.

He's playing in this and I thought, "My God, I've never heard music like this." This was before the genre of new age music. And I was listening. As soon as I said, this is fabulous. This is so different. I talked to him and I said, "Well, why are you getting a PhD in psychology? When you can play music like this, that'd be a waste of time to get a PhD." He goes, "Well, my father won't support me if I play the music." So now I've got the money thing going and all that. And I said, "Okay, tell you what, I'll take you out of school." And I bought him all the newest electronic instruments. Such brand new stuff that people hadn't even used it yet. I remember one of them was called an ARP synthesizer and it came with a book about this big.

And he always reminds me of the movie with Paul Newman and Mexican guy in there. He takes the book and says, "I don't need no stinking book." And he started to play it and he played it so well that ARP people came to our warehouse where we were setting all this up to get lessons from Yanni on how to use their own an instrument!

So I'm a resident of Madison, a Professor in the University. The Madison Civic Center had just been renovated with millions of dollars, a beautiful art center. And I thought, I'm going to put a show on down there. The Laser Symphony it was called and it was rock. I called it rock music at the time. And I gave away a lot of tickets on a rock radio station for free to get people to show up and have free advertising.

And the night of the show, you look in the lobby and it was wow, this is really strange. There are a lot of older people, all dressed up with ties and all formal looking clothes. And there were all these young punk kids with piercings and silver things all over. They're looking at each other in a lobby going, "What are you doing here?"

For the older people, it was the laser symphony at the Civic Center. Of course, they wanted to go see the symphony. And the young kids were there because it was a rock show. Most amazing experience in the whole world. Both communities thought the show was totally outrageous. It was a mixed new age at that time, it was a mixture of rock and classical music.

So it put the two together and Yanni's first real big public experience with 3000 people. And it was a most amazing success. The next morning I get a phone call from this guy, Dave Zimmerman, from Minneapolis. And I talked to him and he says, "Well, I'm involved with a consortium. We own some theaters, we own a theater in Minneapolis, we have one in LA, and we have a big theater on Broadway."

He said, "I got four phone calls last night from people that attended your show. Each one of them said, this is the most amazing show and that I should get the show and put it on Broadway." So he said, "Listen, come on up to Minneapolis, bring the show, we'll work it out, take it to LA, and then we'll go to Broadway." I was like, "I got a Broadway contract one day after the first show."

Everything was so cool and then after a disagreement with an older brother, I lost the estate and the executorship. He took it away, which took all of the support of the program out. And then he sued me for, at that time, $350,000 back in 1985. And because I spent the money on show business, and my lawyer in New York told my lawyers in Wisconsin, where we put the show together, that everything was okay... it turned out not. In New York,  it is against the law for an executor to invest in show business.

So I violated the executorship, and then he sued me for the money I spent, for the money I could have made, and for damages, $350,000. And here I am a Professor giving 50% of my salary to my ex-wife. Now the courts give (out of the remaining 50%), 25% to him. And here I am a Professor eating popcorn for dinner, mainly because I could afford that, especially at the bar where they have free popcorn. And I lost the Broadway show.  The whole thing got lost and I was in trouble.

Lee Carroll: Was that the end of the lasers for you? Or did you continue?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: I came back without Yanni. I came back because I knew the laser show stands on its own. So very quick, I booked a smaller theater. This was about a year later at the Civic Center. They had a small 600 seat theater. And I booked that one for three shows on Saturday, three on Sunday, an afternoon matinee, and two evening shows. Going into the very first show, I gave the entire thing to the radio station. It was their show and they could advertise the heck out of it. And so the first show of course every seat was sold out, for free.

when the show was going on, I went to the bank's office now being very curious, because I have to pay for the theater and I'm going how much are we selling? And he says, "We're selling about 10 to 12% of the house." And I was like, "Oh God, that's so low." And he goes, "Hey, it will cover the rent. So I thought, fine."

Lee Carroll: There are not going to be additional days?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: On the additional days it was all just 10%. This is how powerful the show was. The moment the show was out, people ran out of that theater. And within the next two hours, all the shows that day and two of the three shows the next day, were sold out within two hours.

On the next day, I remember people drove from Chicago and showed up no seats available for this show. The show was the most amazing show in the entire world. And I was so excited that I said, okay, let's take it on the road. And I went to the next city, Rockford, Illinois, which is a blue collar city. Now I learned something being a University Professor and not a rock and roll guy.

I had a lot of learning. The learning is don't bring a show to a blue collar city, unless it's a big show, because their money is hard earned and they're not going to pay for newbie stuff. So the show isn't that. I lost a lot of money paying for the theater cause I got a big art deco theater, cause it was really worth being in a beautiful theater.

And I remember in Madison at the end of every one of these numbers, we'd play a rock and roll number either for a Pink Floyd show or just a rock and roll show. And for each number there was a laser presentation live played by my spiritual son, Bob. In Madison, people went notch. That's how they come to the show when it sold out so fast. So now we're on the road, we're in Rockford and the show goes off and the first number goes on and it's like, every time Bob did this, it got better.

I sat there up in the balcony when nobody was up there, they were down below.  The show goes off and I look at Bob, I go, "Wow, that was totally fantastic." And when the show, the number ended in Madison, the whole audience erupted and yelled all things.

So the first number ends and there's no applause. And I go, wow. I thought that was fantastic. They didn't like that. The second one goes off. It's even better. No applause. The third one goes off. No applause. Now I'm thinking, Oh my God, I invested all this money. I just took my retirement from the University to get the show back on the road and I'm sitting up in the balcony going, Oh my God, they don't like this show. Oh my God, I spent all this money. They don't like the show. The only thing that was real in the sense of a picture was the end in writing.

And it came to the end and nobody applauded anything. I'm looking over the balcony and everybody's sitting in their seats, the light comes on. They're still sitting in their seats. Nobody moves. Nobody says a word. And there's this long period where just people are just quietly sitting in their seats. And all of a sudden one guy goes like this. And then the whole thing erupted. And the point is, the review of the show said, "They were mesmerized by the laser show. It took them out of this world that they didn't even come back, even when the lights came on." So it was great.

Lee Carroll: All right. So I'm not sure you're back in the driver's seat yet, but it has to go someplace from there. You're still in show business?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: I'm still in show business and losing money like crazy. And the reason is I kept advertising as a laser show and most people were responding. Well, I've seen one of those laser shows like an Etch-a-Sketch with little lines. I go, no, this is completely different, but I was having trouble selling it. This is the second time. In fact, we went to Mexico. That was a disaster and a movie will be made about that show in Mexico.

But then we ended up dragging ourselves to California, to Berkeley. And we're trying to put on shows, a friend said, "Listen, I'll support you to get the show on the road, get the theater and do the advertising." And I said, fine. And the first few shows started going off. But again, it was a new thing. And Berkeley, the kids don't have any money in Berkeley. And so okay. Off their record on television...

Lee Carroll: Look just the two of us okay, and a few of our friends.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Some of them, they didn't have any money. Some of us gave us marijuana.

Lee Carroll: So, that's all right because you had the whole picture, I showed you with a firearm.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: I had it, I knew what I was talking about. Okay. So we were like a drug clearing house for the show. And yet there was a point where the guy who was backing us said, "I'm not putting any more money into this is like, well, we're just getting off the ground. You can't pull the money out. Nobody pulls it out." And he stores my equipment in his warehouse as collateral to see if I could pay him back some money. And so, we sneak into the warehouse, and we want to go back to Wisconsin. We put the laser stuff back in the truck.

But now, we're sitting there in the warehouse and the biggest problem is this, we don't have gas money. We didn't even have money for food. And I'm sitting there going, "Oh, my God, Universe. I mean, how did I get here?" It's like, "I can't believe it." And then I get very upset with God. And I've done this a couple of times. And God doesn't like it when you get upset, so actually, he appeased me.

I said, "What do you mean?" I said, "Well, I'm sitting there thinking, 'We can't even afford to drive out of town'" And the phone is ringing in this warehouse and it's like, "Well, it's not for us. Not even our warehouse." But it kept ringing and ringing. And so, my friends who was with us picks up the phone and says, "Bruce, it's for you." I go, "For me? Nobody knows in the world where I am. How is a phone call for me in a warehouse I'm not supposed to be in?"

It was the school in the Caribbean that called. I did a stint there before.  They called and said, "Can you get here right away? The Histology Professor bailed, he got sick and left. And the students are in the lurch." You can't get official certification unless you have the entire course.  I said, "Well, when do you need me?" They said, "Right now."

And I said, "Oh, send me some money to California." And they sent me money to California. And I gave it to Bob, my friend, who then was going to drive the truck back. And I took a flight from California, landed in Madison, packed my bags and then went off to live in the Caribbean.

Lee Carroll:  So, you're now back to Biology?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: I'm back to teaching Biology at a medical school. And this was the shocking part because when I got in there, the semester was half over. And I said to the students, "Well, I'll give you an exam that I give in Madison to the University of Wisconsin students, a midterm exam and see how you do." They all failed, the worst scores I've ever seen in my life.

And they were like, "Oh, my God," they realized how the heck are they going to get out of this course? And I gave them a good pep talk, one of those lectures like ... Home team. And I told them, "You guys are as good as anybody that I taught at the University of Wisconsin. And what you need is just to immerse yourself in this stuff. I'll work with you. And every day, every one of you, we're going to get out of this course."

And they all started working together in a community, which is unlike conventional medical students, which are worse than lawyers. In a medical school, the position you graduate determines where you do residency. So, they're all fighting each other to get there. And this is the first time in a medical school where all the students started to recognize, nobody's making it. The only way is to work together. And they worked, and I worked.

Every day, I came in and I helped them. And in the end, they scored the same as University of Wisconsin School of Medicine students. They were so proud of their ability to come from nowhere and graduate. And it was a thrill to teach them in a different way than I taught in medical school, a way that was more easily understood than conventional medical school.

Lee Carroll: And thank you for that. I'm sure, if they're listening to this, they're thanking you for that as well. Skipping around, we've got Grenada, we've got Barbados. The thing I want you to try to wrap into this is another miracle in your life. And you talked about three times you've gone to the bottom. It's like the phone in the warehouse ringing out of nowhere. Well, we've got another one. And it finds you in New York, Romulus. Why don't you tell the story?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Okay. The school in Grenada that I was going to teach at got bombed during Reagan years. He was upset with that. The American Medical Association didn't like it. It was the Cubans running the island. And so, they came to attack the airstrip where the Cubans were building a giant airport, not recognizing that the medical school building was between the beach and the airport.

So, when the planes came in, they kept shooting up the dormitory where the students were in there. So, after the wake of all this, they sent the school to New York while they were going to rebuild. And so, they asked me to go to New York City and teach. And I'm teaching, doing my job as usual. Then I meet this guy who was interested in the laser show stuff and all that. We started talking, and it was really cool, "Maybe we can get the laser show back on!" So, the school goes back to Grenada. And I say, "No, I'm going to stay in New York because I'm going to put this laser show back on.

"Well, I learned that my so-called partner was a pathological liar, and he then ripped off my checking account. And now, I have no money left, really. And I'm living in New York. I allocated a $1.50 a day to live on in New York. People say, "Live in New York at $10 a day," I was doing $1.50 a day. And there was a part where I was actually living in the projects, the government projects, three guys in one room apartment.

I used to be a former Professor, and now I'm living in the projects. So, it's like down at the bottom. I have my $1.50 a day, and I had a routine. I'd go up 70th street, about 30 blocks up. And that was two hotdogs. Grey's Papaya, famous place, two hotdogs and a drink for a $1.25 and 25 cents leftover. And I'd take the 25 cents, and walk about 40 blocks down to the New York cookie factory, and buy a chocolate chip cookie. This was my routine every day.

One day, I'm just so tired of just living alone and not having money. And somebody said, "If you go to Greenwich Village, they got an open University down there. And the kind of weird stuff that you're talking about is down there." So, I said, "I'm going to go down there."  I go down and of course, I meet some people. I meet this one woman. And she says, "Oh," we got a long, great conversation. She says, "Why don't you come to dinner?" And I thought, "Oh wow, we're going to go to dinner." I said, "Well, first I was going to go to dinner." But she says she has a roommate. I said, "I have a roommate."

She says, "Okay, you and your roommate come to dinner Saturday night," October in New York. And I go to this dinner thinking, "I'm going to make a connection with a woman here after this very scary period of my life. At least I'm socializing." And at the dinner, at some point, my pathological liar roommate tells all these stories and the woman I was thinking I was going to hook up with is now all over him. And I sat there, and it's Saturday night in New York, and my dreams just went away.

At some point, I realized, "I can't put up with this anymore. I'm going to go back and walk home," which is about 30 blocks north. I started walking outside. And now, I become one of those people in New York that you get scared of. A guy walking down the street, yelling at God, "Screw you!" And I said some other words, really bad words. So now, I'm yelling at God.

I see people walking around me. And I'm walking down the street. I'm so upset. And I'm yelling at God, "This stupid life, God get me out of here." And just at that moment, a calm voice from somewhere, I hear, "Go to Times Square and get Popeyes Chicken." Popeyes fried chicken was one of my favorite things. So, after this excruciating evening, guess what? I still have my $1.50 because I didn't go to the dinner.

So I got my $1.50, and I'm walking up toward Times Square, and it starts raining out. Now, I'm a little more upset about now. All of my life sucks. Now, it's raining and cold. And there's a Kentucky Fried Chicken. And I go, "It's another 20 some blocks, man." I start to push the door open, really, I swear to God. Get it open about maybe a foot. I'm holding on the door. And that voice comes back loud and clear in my head and says, "You want Popeyes Chicken." And my life is weird enough to go, "Okay" whatever it is.

I go up to Popeyes Chicken, Times Square. Of course, it's Saturday night, people are milling about, a million people there, enjoying Saturday night. And I got this little personal rain cloud. And I walk into Popeyes. And I make a big deal, like a Charlie Chaplin movie, with a $1.50. I get a tray, and I got my plate with my spicy chicken, and a drink and fries. And it's $1.50, man. I'm so excited. This is the highlight of my entire day.

I see a table in the corner. So, I go through the whole ritual. I take my tray. I'm making a little special dinner for myself. Take the tray, put it away. And I'm sitting there, and I'm just about to put the chicken in my mouth. And I look, and there's a window seat, a seat with a window right on Times Square. I'm looking at that. And to tell you the truth, living in New York for a while, that's not the thing you want to do if we're going to have dinner, is have a window on Times Square, where the people are coming by.

I'm thinking now and I'm just about to bite the chicken. And it says, "Go sit at the seat." I'm going, "Oh, my God. Well, it's crazy. Everything's been crazy. One more crazy." I grab the tray, load it back all up, go through the whole ritual, put it on the table by the window, set it up, put the tray down. Finally, getting ready to have this chicken. I put the chicken up to my mouth, and before I could bite it, I see some guy walk by and I thought, "I know that guy."

Just as I said that, all of a sudden, the guy leans back, and looks in the window, and sees me sitting there. And I realized, it was the Dean from the school in Grenada. And he sees me sitting there at the window, and he comes in, he says, "How are you doing?" I lied like crazy, "Oh, I'm having a great life here in New York."

And I asked him, "Well, why are you here?" And he says, well, I'm looking for a couple of substitute teachers to go down in Grenada. I said, "What courses?" One of them was Physiology. I said, "I can teach Physiology." And he looked at me, he says, "Seriously? You want to go to Grenada?"  Excuse me, it was Barbados because that was temporary. "Do want to go to Barbados?"

"Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, I have a great thing here, but Barbados would be really great." So he says, "Fine, go to the office tomorrow, pick up your ticket." And I fly off the next day to Barbados. So, I'm at the very bottom of my life again with my last $1.50, and this guy of all people. In a million people, that guy walked by the window I'm sitting at, and invites me.  The day later, I have a private house on a beach in Barbados. So, it's very important to recognize I did not plead with God. I was really angry.

Lee Carroll: You just swore at God.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: I was very angry, swearing. And interesting enough, this happened four times. And each time 24 hours later, I was off to another place from the bottom to the top.

Lee Carroll: This is a whole other book. What I want to do now is, leap over some stuff because there're some things that I want you to talk about in the time remaining. And there's some amazing stories. You're back at Stanford... and you're about to give a very special lecture.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Okay. Now, first, let me talk about the Wisconsin one. With my research on the stem cells, I revealed to my satisfaction, with the ability to predict the outcome, that genes are not controlling themselves. The belief that genes turn on and off is a false assumption. It's not true, that it's the environment that was controlling the genes. And I'm supposed to be teaching in a medical school about genes controlling life.

At some point, I realize I can't do that. And I tender my resignation, which was crazy because I had tenure, which meant I had a job for a life, and I threw it out because I was really interested in this other stuff. So, I left the University. The reason why I had trouble with my colleagues, they said, "Well, what's the mechanism behind what you've discovered?" There was no mechanism that I can understand. So, I spent some time looking at the mechanism and I started to find that the membrane, the skin of the cell, is the brain of the cell.

This is completely different than what it even says in textbooks right now, that the nucleus with the genes is the brain. No, the nucleus is the gonad, it's reproduction. The membrane, the skin is the brain. And I saw the mechanism of how it worked, and I wanted to have a scientific audience. So, I asked my friend who was now the Chairman of Anatomy at Wisconsin, "Can I come back and give a lecture?" She said, "Okay, give a Wednesday lecture," which is a bag lunch, and people bring in their lunch. And it's a social thing for the people.

They just hang out. And some guy up in the front talks, "Blah, blah, blah." And they got drool coming down. Everybody goes, "Oh, that was very nice." So, I got this lunchtime gig, but I thought, "Hey, it's an opportunity to talk in front of real scientists." So, I give my lecture on the basis of the membrane as the mechanism that controls life.  I'm giving a lecture and finally, it dawns on me, nobody's eating lunch. They're all just staring at me with big saucer eyes, like I just walked out of outer space.

I looked at this for a moment, not really sure, but I'm concluding. And I say, "Thank you very much." There was not a word. There was not a movement. You could hear a pin drop. They all just sat there, looking at me. And then one guy ... I remember so clearly. One guy in the back of the room goes and they all look at him. And he puts his hands down. And then they all got up and walked out.

All of my former colleagues, not one stayed behind to even asked me a question. They just walked out. And then I got scared because crazy people think they're right. And I'm thinking, "Maybe I actually am crazy because they looked at me like I was crazy." And I thought, "What am I missing on this thing?" So, I fly to Virginia right away, the next day, because I want to go back to where I got my degree and ask my Professors that gave me the degree and PhD.

I wanted to ask them a question, "Am I crazy? Here's my story." One of them is Lionel Rebhun, he was one of the top cell biologists in entire world at the time. And I'm sitting across the desk from Lenny. And I said, "Lenny, let me tell you what my theory is. And you tell me what's wrong with it." I tell him the theory, and he's sitting back. And he goes, "Bruce, it's not what we're thinking."

I said, "Lenny, I know it's not what you're thinking. I want to know what wrong with this idea." Goes back, and he looks at me dead face, and he goes, "It's too simple." I bellowed out on laughter. Now, I am certifiably crazy. The guy said, "It's too simple." I'm laughing in his face. And he's now a little nervous, looking at me. And I said, "Lenny, Lenny, Lenny, the first week in graduate school, I remember that you guys taught me something called Occam's razor." Occam's razor is a philosophy that states the simplest hypothesis is the most likely hypothesis, and should be considered before any other. I said, "You didn't have to accept it. But if you just complain it's only because it's too simple, thank you very much."

So, I go back to where I'm not working. And I'm thinking, "Maybe it's time to go to University." So, I applied to a whole bunch of mediocre Universities. University of Wisconsin's big time. And I figured, "Well, after giving away tenure, maybe I should start at a small University." So, I picked a bunch. And guess what? They all turned me down. Now, I'm going to the Universe again, going, "Man, I sent the damn applications. Nothing's happening."

The phone rings. It's a friend of mine from California at Stanford. He said, "Bruce, you ought to come here and give your lecture at Stanford. I was thinking, "Stanford. I never, in a million years, would have applied to that." So, I thought, "Well, sure." So, I show up at Stanford. And before the lecture begins, I'm walking back to the projector. Now, I have two carousels of slides, carousel number one in my right hand.

Carousel number one is my work on muscle cloning, which is absolutely fabulous, scientific, wonderful research, no doubt about it. And the other hand is a carousel with all the new stuff. And I'm going up there. And I said to my friend, Glen, "Which one of these should I use?" And he looked at me like, "No brainer. Put the muscle one down there. You need the job." So, I get to the projector and guess what?

The muscle one of my right hand, as I get to the projector, my left hand went up. He looked at me and I said, "What? I don't know." I said, "Well, if I can't talk about this, maybe I shouldn't be here, so I want to talk about it." And it's really a talk that says, "DNA isn't so hot, okay?" So now, the people start filing in. And there's a chairman of the Biochemistry Department, the Chairman of Biology, the Chairman of Anatomy, the Chairman of Pathology, the head of Genentech, genetic engineers, new company at that time.

Lee Carroll: And you're applying for a job here?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: I'm applying for a job. And everyone that walks in is a DNA specialist, genetic researcher. And my talk is about the cell membrane.  I'm giving the talk, and I'm writing the conclusion of my talk on the board. And these words come in, just like the ones like, "Go to Popeyes," the same words come in. And the line that they give me is funny and I'm thinking, "Oh, I'm going to say that." So, I finish writing.

And I turn around to the audience, and they're all these genetics people. And I say to them very clearly. I say, "If you think genes are the end all of everything, why, you're no better than a fundamentalist." Oh! Oh! I never saw anything like that in my life! They were so mad at me. They were red faced. They were all yelling at the same time. I remember a guy in the front row was standing up, and trying to yell something to me. And he got pushed down by the guy behind him who wanted to yell first.

I'm blowing up against the black board, looking at this and it's like, "Oh, my God this is a job interview. And they're all yelling at me." And the sound goes away. And now, I'm watching people yelling, hands flying. And in that perfect little quiet of silence, at that moment in my head, the voice comes back. And the voice says, "This job interview isn't going well, isn't it?" So, I'm slipping down the black board, and my belt catches the chalk tray.

All of a sudden, the Universe was saying, "Sir, this is as low as you go." And I stood up and I started yelling back. And the first thing I yelled, I remembered because it was like, "DNA can't be the end all of everything, because there was life on this planet before there was DNA. And that's a fact." And so I said, "Hey, there was life before DNA," and whatever else I said. I yelled back and everything got quiet. And then he goes, "Thank you very much." And they all applauded.  I was like, "What? They applauded."

And so, they're all leaving. And the guy who brought me there, the major advisor I was going to work with handed me a paper. And he said, "Here are the people I want you to talk with." They were all the Chairman's of all these departments. And I said, "Listen, I'm sorry. I wasted their time already." And I pushed the paper back to Marv, the guy, Marv. And Marv pushes the paper back to me and he says, "You provoked the hell out of them and they like that." And then I got the job.

Lee Carroll: How long did you stay at Stanford?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: I stayed there from '87 to '92. And then I was living in my garage for 11 years up there. And that's when I learned the Universe was so supporting me because I was living on a minimum amount of money. I left the University. And I remember my car broken the clutch was... "Oh, my God, it was a $1,000. I don't have that."

Then the next day, there was a call, "Listen, come for a lecture. We'll give you a $1,000. I go, "Well, that was good." And then my computer broke a couple months later. It was like, "Oh my God, another $1,000." And then the next day, another phone call. And I started to realize when I needed something, the Universe returned it. I was never short. And then I got a little smarty about it. And I said, I could use this, not frivolous, but I could use something. Then another job came in.

Lee Carroll: This started the lecture circuit?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: This started the whole lecture thing, which got me off into what I'm still doing now, after all these years.

Lee Carroll: I want to show you a picture that I want you to explain. This is the year, 2000?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Yes. And Valentine's Day is approaching. And we have a couple of friends visiting. So, I want to make a Valentine's Day card. And so again, how the universe supports, I said to Margaret, "I need to get one of the long underwear in pink that I can dress up as Cupid." And she looked at me and said, "Yeah, right. Where do you find long underwear in pink?". I went down to the salvation army store. I swear to God it was right there, a pink one in men's size. It's like, Oh my God, it was there. So that's the outfit I was wearing.

Lee Carroll: I want everybody to see this one more time. Yeah. That's worth a second look, Bruce. Oh, you got wings and all that. How did you meet Margaret?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Oh, Margaret. This is a wonderful story. Okay. I was giving a lecture at association for prenatal and perinatal psychology and health. It's about conscious parenting people and all that up in San Francisco and I had just gotten to that seminar where it was being presented. I wasn't there for the first few days. Margaret was there.

Margaret and her former husband had a major company of workshop training programs called Summit in California. It was very big and she left that and she was going into child development stuff. So she shows up and she's been there a couple of days. I'm standing not in the aisle way going to the front, but in one of the rows, talking to the founder of the organization, Thomas Verny.  I'm talking to Thomas Verny and nobody's in the room because it's before the presentation that I'm on a panel.

As we're talking, all of a sudden, we both hear this woman go behind us and we turn around and there's Margaret holding her chest, looking at us like, I don't know. She didn't know what happened. She just walked behind me, and all of a sudden, she got this jolt in her heart and she actually went like that, caught our attention. She went to the front afterwards, sat in the front row, and was pondering, "What was that all about?"

She had just finished the mentorship with the Hendricks, Gay and Kathlyn Hendricks. And they did a thing where you put your wishes on a piece of paper and you write them all out and then you put them in the fire and you do this thing like that. And just before she was looking for a partner and just before she put the paper in a fire, she said, "I got to have one more."

And she added, "Give me a clear sign so I don't walk by this person." And that was this clear sign. That to her it was like, "Oh my God, you've got the Joel." She didn't even see me. She walked behind me. So she's thinking about that in the front row, and all of a sudden she hears the applause. Why 400 people just came into the room she didn't see. She looks up and there's a panel and I'm sitting right in front of her. And I give this presentation, which I so enjoyed because it was a group of Psychology people, but they had no basic science.

And I came in there and laid out the whole basic science about programming a child in the first seven years with science. They were like, 'Oh my God, this guy is giving us the science and the whole place erupted and all that." After my presentation, they were all gathered around me, asking questions, all kinds of stuff. And she was sitting in her chair and she was thinking, "Oh, he's probably from Australia, and he's probably got five kids and all that kind of stuff. What am I thinking?

Lee Carroll: She probably lives in a garage.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Thank you. And then she said, "Oh, don't waste your time. Go up there and talk to him." So she got up, she worked her way through the crowd, got right up to the front. Some woman was asking me, "Do you have a book?" I said, "No, I don't have a book yet." I said, "I do have a video." And she says, "Do you have a video?" I said, "Yeah, if you want it, you can send a check to me. I'll send you the video."

She says, "Okay, give me your address." They're all standing around, and I say, "I live in La Honda, California." Well, La Honda has got 600 people about, in the whole place. It's in the mountains. And all of a sudden, I hear, "You live in La Honda? I live in La Honda, too." And I look and there's Margaret yelling across. So I said to her, "Well then, that way you don't have to send a check. You can just give it to me." She says, "Give me your phone number."

Lee Carroll: This is your partner for life, and if it's all right, I want to show some pictures.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Okay. There's a little more to the story... after my divorce and the problems and the emotional problems that divorce does, especially with two girls, I made a conviction to myself to never get married again. For 17 years, every day I would shave, and it was a mantra, "I'll never get married again. I'll never get married again." 17 years, and so when I would go out with somebody, the first thing is I give a preamble, "Look, if you're looking for a relationship, it's not me, but if you want to go and we have some fun, great, let's have some fun, but I'm not relationship material." And when I met Margaret, of course, I gave her the same story.

And every time we would go out, I would give her the same thing. Finally, she said, listen, "I understand what you're talking about. You don't have to tell me anymore. Do you just want me here, yes or no?" I said, "Of course I want you here." So she now is under the knowledge that I will never get married again. But I said, "Look, if we're going out and have a good time, we'll go out tomorrow, we'll have a good time. We'll keep going out." So we've been going out for about a year now and I'm sitting on the floor on the front of the couch. She's behind me, there's a movie on, and I'm thinking about something, and I realized something that was so profound. I said, "If I was in a situation I wasn't able to make a response, and it was something about my life, I would trust Margaret's decision about my life."

And I stopped for a moment. I said, "Oh my God, you would give this woman control over your life." I respected her so much. I started to laugh because I think, well, I should marry her, and I started laughing to myself, not so self, 'cause she heard me and she said, "What are you laughing at?" I said, "I can't tell you." And she says, "What are you laughing at?" And the more I said I couldn't tell you, the more she was telling me what you're laughing at. So I finally turned around and I look at her and say, "Margaret, will you marry me?" And she looks at me, she goes, "Yeah, sure.", and goes back to watching the movie. Took a few days to get that to go in.

Lee Carroll: That's kind of a hairy decision.  This is you and Margaret and you're in Cairo and those are the pyramids behind you. I know you've been all over the world. The next photo shows you in Africa. This one of my favorite here in a Safari.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Yeah. On the Zimbabwe river.

Lee Carroll: And let's go to the next one. This is also in Africa, here. You're knee-deep in water there, but having a champagne or something.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Yeah. We were celebrating, kind of hot and it was shallow enough that you could see the crocodiles if they came up. So that's why we could see around us.

Lee Carroll: Let's go to the next one, because this is also in Egypt. I love this.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: This was a vision that I had that I thought about, "Wouldn't that be so fabulous to ride across the desert on a stallion with my beautiful bride." And we ended up going to Egypt, which was on unexpected at that time. And then unexpected, there were people that had horses for rent. So I bought the costume. And so we both went out in front of the pyramids and took that photo, that was a romantic vision, that is now real.

Lee Carroll: Thank you for not taking your Cupid outfit.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: The  bow and arrow wouldn't have made it through security.

Lee Carroll: I wouldn't have done it. Let's go to the next photo. Who is Rupert?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Rupert Sheldrake. Now people may know of Rupert Sheldrake. He's written a number of books on the morphogenetic field. The morphogenic field is how an energy is giving shape to matter. And it was fun because my research was the biological connection to his theories. So I remember writing to him about it, and at first he said, "You're just anthropomorphizing, thinking that a cell membrane is a computer chip."

I said, "No, it really is a computer chip. It's a carbon based one." And we got a little discussion. So he said, "Well," he's coming to Washington. "Why don't we get together?" And we had a conversation like this and it was fun because he's very British and a very droll sense of humor. Very funny. And I'm an American loud mouth comic. Between the two of us, the audience went nuts because it was British and American humor blended together. He's a wonderful, wonderful scientist who has been blocked by a lot of conventional scientists, but his work is right on.

Lee Carroll: And I would say very much like you. You have that in common. This next one is you and Gregg Braden.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Brother Gregg Braden.

Lee Carroll: And you are at the United Nations. What happened?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Well, this was an opportunity for us because the United Nations had a committee that was trying to plan for the next 15 years. So what will be happening? They invited Gregg and I to give them a story, and I just want to acknowledge. Gregg Braden when I met him, has become the dearest brother to me.

I have the greatest and highest respect for him. He has integrity that is solid gold, and I would go anywhere in the world to work with him, and of course now with you. So I have been so lucky to work with people, Gregg, and you. Thank you so much Lee, because both of you are so serious about making what we do so presentable to the public and in such high integrity. So I really want to thank you so very much for that opportunity, and thank my dear brother, Gregg, who I love dearly.

Lee Carroll: Did you expect that you'd have a good reception at the UN?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Well, I had no idea where we're going and there was a small room with a number of people, but then I found out later that there was a camera in the middle of the table that I didn't know about. And that was being broadcast to all the major offices and the major leadership. So there was a big following, I had no idea.

Lee Carroll: I think you planted seeds that day.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: We talked about a future, which is a process that we're in right now, which is real exciting because it's spontaneous evolution, which I wrote about. It says that we will go through this chaos period as we leave behind an unsustainable civilization and move into one that we can thrive into the future with. And so that was perfect fodder for the United Nations.

Lee Carroll: Can I show pictures of two people who changed our lives? This is Louise Hay. Wonderful Louise. We both had books, I believe. We both have socialized with Louise. She's the real deal.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Absolutely. Again, that was another wonderful opportunity to meet a world that was in her community, which was the people that were really listening to the story of a new biology. So it was very a great experience to be with Louise. It was fun because before my first lecture for Hay House, the people brought me there, say, "Well, Bruce, Louise will pop in, but she doesn't stay. So she gets up and leaves. That's the way she does things." I gave a three hour session and she didn't get out of her seat for three hours. And it was because of all that new age type of understanding was now being grounded in solid empirical science, and that was the cool part.

Lee Carroll: Then a gentleman who touched our lives and millions...

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Wayne Dyer. Wayne, one of the most wonderful human being. I had to look up to Wayne a lot cause he was really tall, and yet he commanded so much authenticity in his presentation and his work. He profoundly changed the world and I deeply appreciate him.

Lee Carroll: I want to show you the two of- these are kind of funny. Here's a surprise billboard. That is you, and it's all in Spanish. And you saw that on the road going to some lecture or something.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Actually I missed it. I was going into Mexico city and people when I got to the lecture, they said, "Did you see that billboard with you?" And I said, "What are you talking about?" I didn't see it. It was on the way out when I stopped. I said, "Oh my God, there's a giant billboard of me, wow." I had to take a picture of it 'cause it was such a special event for me.

Lee Carroll: And also, I have another picture of what I would call the epitome of low cost advertising. This is on the sidewalk in Ohio. What's the story of that?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: There's the Kent community market. It was a community and it was an organic market and a health food center. And my daughter, Tanya, lived in Kent and said, "If you could come out this way, give a lecture." And I did, then there's the advertising for my lecture on the sidewalk.

Lee Carroll: Tell us just a little bit about India.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Well, this is on the Ganges with Margaret. And there was a water blessing and I was invited by the man next to me. His name is Bharat Mitra. He and his wife were the founders of a company called Organic India. They sell products all around the world, and he invited me to come there because he knew of my research and all that. We met at this Ashram and it has a thousand rooms. In ashram with a thousand rooms, in Rishikesh, and a living Saint, Pujya Swami Ji Saraswati.

Lee Carroll: I mean, that's a name I would never remember.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Oh, I remember that now because he was like a Dalai Lama kind of person. He had 300 million followers and I remember we were sitting down and having some tea with him on the floor and we were all talking and that was the first spiritual person leader that said after thousands of years of worshiping spirituality up in the sky, he said, "It has no value unless we bring that spirituality back to the planet and bring it down to the earth right now." And I was like the first time it was like, "Yeah," because I'm so into that mode. And I know he's a funny guy. I remember after the tea he was saying, "Oh, we have a RT outside on the Ganges." And I looked at him like "RT?" It's like an evening- What would you call it? An evening celebration on the Ganges.

And I looked at him like "RT?" And he goes, "Oh, it's our happy hour." So we went there and I've been connected with them ever since, in Organic India. We're really making a major effort to bring a new awareness to the planet. And especially Organic India came in after Monsanto destroyed the farming community. People don't recognize this: 250,000 farmers committed suicide because of Monsanto. They were so in debt to buying the seeds and then the seeds didn't really grow. Like they said, that they were going to lose their farms. And in India, if the father dies, the farm can be passed to the family. So 250,000 farmers killed themselves so the family could keep the farm after Monsanto. So Organic India came in there to say, there's a better way, biodynamic farming. And they raised the entire standard. So Modi, the prime minister, invited us in to meet with his cabinet and talk about the new version of agriculture, because he was promoting organic farming in India.

Lee Carroll: Are you going to go back?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: I go back every year.

Lee Carroll: All right. This is a profound picture of you lecturing with these gentlemen.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Many of you may have seen that in Arkansas Kryon conference. The Three Amigos. And so we got our big sombreros.

Lee Carroll: This is from the movie.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Then we threw the sombreros out into the audience and a raucous crowd you brought for us. And they were excited. I've worked with these guys. These are brothers to me, Joe Dispenza and Gregg Braden. I love these guys.

Lee Carroll: Yeah. They actually put on the sombreros and did their thing.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Yeah. Because it was your conference, we know people could put up with that. Thank you for that opportunity.

Lee Carroll: You're Welcome. I want to finish this and we're going back to 2009 to the Goi Peace award. This is what you were given in 2009, and I want the audience who is here and listening, and renting and all that, to read this together. Established in 2000, the Goi Peace award is an international award presented annually to honor individuals and organizations in various fields that have made outstanding contributions toward the realization of a peaceful and harmonious world. They are selected not only in recognition of their past achievements, but their ongoing contribution to building a better future. And I want to show the audience and all those, the people that have surrounded you who have gotten the award. You have in 2008, Bill Gates. You are 2009. Right after you is Deepak Chopra.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Thank you for that. Thank you so much.

Lee Carroll: I happen to know that there's a lot more. We could go for another hour (because I interrupted you) there are things in the cracks that I know about that are hilarious and they're profound. Do you have anything you want to say just to close this session?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Well, first of all, I've got to thank everyone here in the live audience. And then our online audience for being here. I so appreciate it because it's the first time I'm on a presentation and I didn't even talk about science. So this is a noble experience.

And I also am so indebted to, to you and Monika for helping me get into a much bigger kind of audience, with people who are open to understanding that there's a world evolution going on at this very moment, that the chaos that is out there is not a scary thing, that it's a necessary understanding because we're moving from an unsustainable civilization, the one we're in, which is actually a precipitated what is called the sixth mass extinction of life on this planet.

We've already lost over 70% of life on this planet because of human behavior, and it says that we need to create a new civilization. And it's wonderful because I'm working with this community, with Lee and Gregg and Joe and Rupert, and all those other people. All of us are out there offering insights into this new world. And when you get it, it's the most exciting experience on the planet because I'm a student of this.

I'll tell you the truth. I didn't believe in any of this at the beginning, but now I'm a firm follower of spirituality and understanding there's more to us than this physical body and we are powerful creators. And when we understand this and get out of the programming that we've received as children, the first seven years, we can experience that powerful creativity.

The message that Kryon has been offering the public all along is the exact same message. I feel very honored to provide a concrete scientific foundation for this new reality. And as you said, when I started, epigenetics wasn't even official science. So I was writing about epigenetics, the first paper in '71, and epigenetics wasn't even recognized as science till after 1990. So I was like 20 years ahead, not always supported, but thoroughly enjoying the entire experience that right up until this very moment. And so thank you so very, very much for this wonderful program, Lee.

Lee Carroll: This is Beginnings. Thank you, Bruce Lipton. Very much.


10 thoughts on “Dr. Bruce Lipton Beginnings Show”

  1. So thankful to Lee and Bruce for this. Loved ALL the heartwarming stories! How can we get into mainstream media about Monsanto and what happened in India with losing 250,000 people to suicide due to Monsanto’s practice? This is heart breaking and needs to be heard on a large scale.

  2. Thank you, Bruce, for showing up in our world at this time!! I’ve been following you ever since I bought your CD set, “The Wisdom of Your Cells,” about which I’ve been so excited!
    AND, Thank you, Lee, for making this free talk available: so enjoyable to hear about Bruce’s background. Having followed Kryon for many years, I’m always excited to observe more people communicating how physics and spirituality are one!

  3. Thank you, what a wonderful one and a half hour with Bruce and Lee. I look forward to more of Lee’s friends in Beginnings. More Please. Regards Dorothy

  4. Thank you, very very enjoyable and uplifting. Inspiring, fun and freeing hearing the trust and faith in ones purpose and journey contributing to our evolution. Thank you Bruce and Lee

  5. Wow so amazing. Thank you, Bruce and Lee for sharing your story s.
    And in particular the last bit about the farmers and Monsanto.

  6. Thank you for this exquisite interview, and for the transcription of it, which makes it more understandable to Spanish speakers. ¡A hug!

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